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Post by HerefordBull on Mar 9, 2018 22:44:01 GMT
Not long now till the latest instalment of the Edinburgh Derby. Easter Road on March 9th 7.45pm KO. Should be a cracker (said that before). Hibs to win me tinks! i'll go 2-0 Thought you were mad going for that scoreline hfc as Natural Order had been resumed in January........but you were proven right Well played Hibs "My Heart was broken........" GGTTH
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Post by hfc on Mar 9, 2018 23:40:54 GMT
Natural Order!
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Post by hfc on Mar 9, 2018 23:49:28 GMT
Well done the Hibees. First half was pretty poor, Hibs just edged it maybe. Second half was easy street after Allan's sublime strike. Can't believe CL saying Hertz did a lot of good things in the game. What FFSakes? I obviously missed the good things. I know u Tarties are hurting but the 2nd half was nearly as bad as the Big Cup game last season. Still, to the Victor the Spoils.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Mar 9, 2018 23:56:45 GMT
Thought we were average at best for an 1hr then ripped them apart! Sorry lot that from Gorgie as no way can you call that a football team! Levein and his comments can stay thank you very much. Hope enjoys some humble pie before he heads back to DoF to hide his piss poor management style!
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Post by drj1956 on Mar 10, 2018 9:15:26 GMT
Up to the first goal the game was relatively even, although hibs always looked the more likely to score, that's because we rarely look like to score in any game (even when we do score). That needs to change. We don't have a midfield, not even a bad one, we simply don't have one
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Post by drj1956 on Mar 10, 2018 9:24:24 GMT
And Dav. Bear in mind, we didn't get worse in the last 30, so if we are a sorry lot from Gorgie then for an hour you were as sorry a lot. Your first goal was a cracker where I can find no fault on our part, sometimes you just have to accept it's a good move. The second was a defensive joke but truth told, one would have been enough as we create very little.
I would defy any hearts fan to name 5 goals we have scored due to a worked move. They are mostly free kicks, set plays and long range shots. We rarely look like scoring. I'm not being negative, that's just the way it is. In fact given our lack of creativity, we have done ok. As I said earlier, that needs to change.
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Post by HerefordBull on Mar 10, 2018 11:01:02 GMT
And Dav. Bear in mind, we didn't get worse in the last 30, so if we are a sorry lot from Gorgie then for an hour you were as sorry a lot. Your first goal was a cracker where I can find no fault on our part, sometimes you just have to accept it's a good move. The second was a defensive joke but truth told, one would have been enough as we create very little. I would defy any hearts fan to name 5 goals we have scored due to a worked move. They are mostly free kicks, set plays and long range shots. We rarely look like scoring. I'm not being negative, that's just the way it is. In fact given our lack of creativity, we have done ok. As I said earlier, that needs to change. I thought first half was fairly even as you say drj. Hearts had their tactics right in that they were defending well leaving us with half chances but you were breaking fairly quickly and twice had 2 men over on the right side on the edge of the box..........a clinical finishing side would have punished us from at least one of those but fortunately for us you couldn't. Luck wasn't with you when Marciano allowed the ball to bounce off his chest and it could have gone anywhere but fortunately for us was cleared. Incidentally, Marciano I thought looked nervous last night and apart from that incident he also managed to kick 2 to 3 goal kicks straight out, was slow off his line to smother the ball despite being signaled to do so by our centre backs but fortunately for him Hearts didn't manage one shot on target. However he is the sort of keeper who would have pulled off a blinding save if you had done so. The worrying thing for me, if I was a JT, is that once we did score Levein didn't seem to be able to change things to put in plan B but continued to play the same tactics. Even when 2 down nothing really altered and you could see the fight had gone from the Hearts side. There were still 10 minutes to go and pulling one goal back would have caused some panic in the Hibs defence. ( afterall we were 2 down at Tynecastle the year we won the cup with 10 to go ) He certainly seems very one dimensional in his approach and I suppose the only surprise last night was that he played Naismith and Lafferty and didn't just go with one striker......or perhaps even none. Naismith didn't look sharp and Lafferty was really well managed by Darren McGregor.........what a signing he has been from sevco.....plus it helps he is a hibbee. GGTTH
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Mar 10, 2018 18:28:29 GMT
I won't sugar coat things, Hearts are a team managed by a huddie stuck in the past, his sole purpose was to not concede and hope for a penalty or free kick to snatch a goal or win ( this is pretty much a weekly tactic). The Hearts fans who support this old fraud are also stuck in their own natural order past. BUT this is the present and the current order bar the cup tie has been about 1 team trying to play football and win only, and in my opinion if they want to compete in the short term future they have to get rid of Levein. Playing kids is great in short bursts but to rely on them week in week out will finish them before they develop properly in our league.
Next season outlays will include new pitch, finishing the half built stand, and pretty much developing a whole new team, a lot of clubs go through the last process but I genuinely think you cannot do everything at once.
As for us it's all about being able to hold onto McGeouch, McGinn, Allan and Lennon and building on the foundations of this season, obviously getting European football would be a huge boost in attracting players to stay / or sign.
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Mar 11, 2018 11:48:40 GMT
I won't sugar coat things, Hearts are a team managed by a huddie stuck in the past, his sole purpose was to not concede and hope for a penalty or free kick to snatch a goal or win ( this is pretty much a weekly tactic). The Hearts fans who support this old fraud are also stuck in their own natural order past. BUT this is the present and the current order bar the cup tie has been about 1 team trying to play football and win only, and in my opinion if they want to compete in the short term future they have to get rid of Levein. Playing kids is great in short bursts but to rely on them week in week out will finish them before they develop properly in our league. Next season outlays will include new pitch, finishing the half built stand, and pretty much developing a whole new team, a lot of clubs go through the last process but I genuinely think you cannot do everything at once. As for us it's all about being able to hold onto McGeouch, McGinn, Allan and Lennon and building on the foundations of this season, obviously getting European football would be a huge boost in attracting players to stay / or sign. The difference between the teams has been that you have a core of a team that can be built around. We are all over the place on the pitch. Too many short term fixes. My fear is that we won't get it right before someone like Berra starts going downhill and that will add another position needing fixing. Kids are great and all but we do not have a core of a team to add them into.
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Post by HerefordBull on Mar 12, 2018 10:10:24 GMT
I won't sugar coat things, Hearts are a team managed by a huddie stuck in the past, his sole purpose was to not concede and hope for a penalty or free kick to snatch a goal or win ( this is pretty much a weekly tactic). The Hearts fans who support this old fraud are also stuck in their own natural order past. BUT this is the present and the current order bar the cup tie has been about 1 team trying to play football and win only, and in my opinion if they want to compete in the short term future they have to get rid of Levein. Playing kids is great in short bursts but to rely on them week in week out will finish them before they develop properly in our league. Next season outlays will include new pitch, finishing the half built stand, and pretty much developing a whole new team, a lot of clubs go through the last process but I genuinely think you cannot do everything at once. As for us it's all about being able to hold onto McGeouch, McGinn, Allan and Lennon and building on the foundations of this season, obviously getting European football would be a huge boost in attracting players to stay / or sign. No sugar coating from me dav......just as it is . Hearts could have come with no strikers and came to play the frustrating game and wait for a set piece. As it was they looked to defend solidly and then get the quick break using 2 strikers, which as I said worked a couple of times up till we scored and twice they had 2 men over on the edge of the area, with the ball, which fortunately for us came to nothing. If one of those had gone in, it would have been up to us to raise / change our game to get back into it............this was the worrying thing from Hearts point of view that there was no plan B showing how 1 dimensional his game plan is. In football, results are everything ( and Hibs turnaround came from one result on 21/05/2016) and Hibs did well on Friday night going into a higher gear Hearts had no answer for but I'm not that blinkered with my green coloured glasses on as the result went for us......afterall, in the last 3 games with Hearts as the results stand, we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 1. ( irrespective of goals that may or may not have been) Yes we are on top at present with regard to longer term results so have to enjoy it but inevitably this will change at some point. As you say they have a lot going on in order to change things around and only time will tell how and when they achieve this..........unfortunately if Levein is in charge I cannot see his basic tactics changing so they will have to be prepared for solid defending and then high balls, set pieces aimed at a target man and runners off him to pick up any second balls..............however as far as supporters are concerned , if this results in a win their supporters won't care. At Old Trafford on Saturday there was one team accused of dull football and one side that play open attractive free flowing football.........doubt this was going through the minds of Man U. fans at full time with another win over their famous rivals. If Allan and Mcgeough continue as they are I can see us struggling to hang on to them at the end of the season.......it will show great ambition by Hibs if we can make them offers to stay that they cannot refuse.......which I hope we can do. I am really pleased for McGeouch that he seems to have put his injuries, that he always seemed to get after one game under Stubbs , into the past and again on Friday he had a great game. GGTTH
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Mar 12, 2018 10:45:03 GMT
Newhaven wasn’t a dig at anything you said, to be fair you say a lot of correct things and yes the first half in my opinion could have gone wrong for us but we were the team trying ( without success ) to create and play football, the 2nd half we dominated and got the rewards but really over the piece they barely laid a glove on us and all you have to do is read the match threads on our friends from the West’s page since humbling Celtic to see they are not a happy bunch and Levein is at the core of the problem, with him not much change will happen and the positive what Cathro was trying ( even though not successful ) to do noises have gone.
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Post by hfc on Mar 12, 2018 20:18:14 GMT
CL can't change. That's going to be the problem going forward. He's a defender who has tightened up the Hertz defence, no doubts there but they have nothing much going forward. If they score first they get encouragement and have something to hold onto. When they concede first they look a little lost for ideas about how to get back into any game.
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Post by baldbobby on Mar 12, 2018 20:23:07 GMT
CL can't change. That's going to be the problem going forward. He's a defender who has tightened up the Hertz defence, no doubts there but they have nothing much going forward. If they score first they get encouragement and have something to hold onto. When they concede first they look a little lost for ideas about how to get back into any game. Very true HFC. No creativity anywhere forward of the back 3 or 4.
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Post by drj1956 on Mar 13, 2018 15:07:19 GMT
For sure we have issues in the creative department. However the only defensive player that CL has brought in is Adao.
Injuries have left us very short and my criticism of the set up we have is that, our level of injuries can be unfortunate now and again. However, we have it way to often to be coincidence.
It smacks to me to be either something wrong in the training regime or problems training on the surface at Riccarton and most definitely the problem playing on a shit pitch every few weeks. We have too many players too often injured. That needs to be addressed.
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