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Post by drj1956 on Apr 28, 2020 8:58:37 GMT
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Post by sheldrake on Apr 28, 2020 9:42:51 GMT
Well lets hope for once a report in the Sun is accurate. I imagine their will be a lot of il feeling amongst some of the players that does not bode well. I think the practice of paying high wages and small performance bonuses has to be looked at, perhaps thats been part of the problem a good wage assured win lose or draw.
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Post by MTS on Apr 28, 2020 9:57:50 GMT
Well lets hope for once a report in the Sun is accurate. I imagine their will be a lot of il feeling amongst some of the players that does not bode well. I think the practice of paying high wages and small performance bonuses has to be looked at, perhaps thats been part of the problem a good wage assured win lose or draw. Totally agree with that SD, it’s being discussed on forums and social media this morning about Hearts paying a huge basic pay.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 28, 2020 10:12:00 GMT
While I agree there has to be a balance, this is absurd. Can you imagine the outcry if the person on the street was paid a low wage with performance related bonuses to boost the income. There was a time when that was a common process but it's not in this day and age. Perhaps there is a balance to be struck though.
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Post by sheldrake on Apr 28, 2020 12:23:26 GMT
Clearly their is a balance to be struck but it appears Hearts may have got this balance wrong, to what extent this may have affected the players will to win we will never know, if indeed ir affected them at all.
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Post by countyjambo on Apr 28, 2020 12:29:01 GMT
Ask CL he negotiated most of the deals other than the January ones
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 28, 2020 16:24:29 GMT
Top 2 French leagues have ended.
In Scotland apparently they somehow did a poll to ask players what their preference was and something like 80+% wanted reconstruction which is interesting but probably immaterial as they’re just players. But good that it’s got traction among them at least.
Time will tell!
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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 28, 2020 17:14:04 GMT
While I agree there has to be a balance, this is absurd. Can you imagine the outcry if the person on the street was paid a low wage with performance related bonuses to boost the income. There was a time when that was a common process but it's not in this day and age. Perhaps there is a balance to be struck though. Totally agree, but we aren't really talking about low wages in general here, should be nothing wrong with having a degree of performance in there. Same as if you didn't do your job you would expect to lose out (probably on having the job, not just the bonus segment) While I agree we need to pay a decent salary and give people security, it does look like this policy has coincided with a huge drop off in performance and a lot of mystery injuries. It may be a coincidence, but I think there is a link. Having said that it possibly allowed us to sign "better" players by giving them certainty, allied to giving some older players longer deals than they would get elsewhere. I get the theory and it was possibly worth the risk, but it hasn't worked.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 28, 2020 17:39:40 GMT
I'm not convinced Dolf. I'm not sure wages are the cause of the under performance this year. Running a high bonus level at a club like ours would be really difficult to budget for. I heard an interview with Paul Hartley recently when he talked about bonkers bonus structures and that at one point the team got a 10grand bonus payment for beating StMirren at tynecastle due to the bonus setup.
I understand ( not certain) that Hibs have worked off a low wage high bonus structure for years but they more often than not fall away in late season. That doesn't speak to me about a team incentivised by bonus. Thats not having a go at Hibs but just an example.
Players should be able to negotiate a wage as per their worth with set targets, if those targets are exceeded then they qualify for bonus's.
Performance this year has been shocking at times but I really dont think wage levels have had much input into that
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 28, 2020 17:57:03 GMT
If we resume the season I wonder if this gap in time will rejuvenate our squad to actually play to their abilities as the low morale will have gone by time.
If Sturgeon's statements are anything to go by, it may well not be resumed.
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 28, 2020 18:35:26 GMT
I'm not convinced Dolf. I'm not sure wages are the cause of the under performance this year. Running a high bonus level at a club like ours would be really difficult to budget for. I heard an interview with Paul Hartley recently when he talked about bonkers bonus structures and that at one point the team got a 10grand bonus payment for beating StMirren at tynecastle due to the bonus setup. I understand ( not certain) that Hibs have worked off a low wage high bonus structure for years but they more often than not fall away in late season. That doesn't speak to me about a team incentivised by bonus. Thats not having a go at Hibs but just an example. Players should be able to negotiate a wage as per their worth with set targets, if those targets are exceeded then they qualify for bonus's. Performance this year has been shocking at times but I really dont think wage levels have had much input into that Sometimes all season
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 28, 2020 23:42:18 GMT
Daily Sevco also now reporting that all hearts players have agreed to wage cuts
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 29, 2020 8:58:51 GMT
Except from SPFL statement We live in a democracy and the SPFL Articles are clear - if 75% of the clubs in the Premiership, as well as 75% of the clubs in the Championship and 75% of the clubs in Leagues One and Two vote that we should spend our executives‘ time on matters other than Seasons 2019/20 & 2020/21, and clubs’ money on lawyers’ fees, then we will.
Is this not another case of bullying clubs. It seems to me to be saying that even if you do believe we are guilty of wrongdoing do you really want to spend funds proving it? Typical head in the sand attitude. Perhaps if they admitted getting it wrong in the first place we might be able to move on. I agree with them that it is a use of funds and resources that should be avoided but you cant make the errors they have without paying the price
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Apr 29, 2020 9:30:57 GMT
Perhaps if Sevco have this dossier on corruption they get on with it and publish the issues, or is everything as usual just a bit of hot air, temper tantrum cause it’s not going their way? Do get on with things while we have time and let’s not waste money that can be used better to protect us all!
Football won’t return to any sense of normality for at least 3/4 months in my opinion and how the hell can they regulate social distancing which I believe will be in place potentially past next winter in the bigger picture?
If you believe mass gatherings will be in place before the end of the year I think you will be severely disappointed!
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Post by K19 on Apr 29, 2020 10:06:36 GMT
Perhaps if Sevco have this dossier on corruption they get on with it and publish the issues, or is everything as usual just a bit of hot air, temper tantrum cause it’s not going their way? Do get on with things while we have time and let’s not waste money that can be used better to protect us all! Exactly, if you have a dossier which is crystal clear, publish it. And yes, in that case, that's exactly when we would want the SPFL board to spend time explaining themselves, although they should fund it from their own pockets. If all you have is a bunch of assumptions and insinuations, don't waste time and money looking any further.
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