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Post by parkhead98 on Jul 21, 2020 15:00:44 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53486715An anti-racism charity say there is widespread support for the SPFL to endorse the Black Lives Matter message. Players in England's Premier League have been taking a knee before all matches since the season restarted. Show Racism The Red Card has called on Scotland's league body to emulate the gesture.
The SPFL responded: "Discussions have been ongoing between parties and we expect to be in a position to offer clarity in the coming days." It had previously indicated that it was a matter of individual choice. "We've been speaking to the SPFL and the PFA Scotland union and we now have full support from the players for action,"
Show Racism The Red Card's Jordan Allison told BBC Scotland. "The SPFL says it's up to the players if they want to take the knee. We feel it should be a stronger message than that. "The SPFL now has a fantastic opportunity to respond to this growing movement."
Personally, I think it would be wrong. Kneeling aside, the black fist salute emanates from the black power movement and is construed by many as similar to a certain other banned salute. The actual name of the movement is offensive to a large portion of the population because it implies that other lives don't matter. The BLM movement may deny it but they have a political agenda and there should be no place for politics in football or any other sport for that matter. I'm not racist. Some would say I must be because I'm questioning any proposals to allow these things to be part of Scottish football, and that's their right. But I am also entitled to a point of view, and it seems to me that people are jumping on this bandwagon purely through fear of being called a racist. I know that this is a delicate subject and I accept that I may incur the wrath of the Mods for this post, but this is a football related matter. It's been the "norm" in the EPL since the restart and while the authorities down there deem it a reasonable success, it will be interesting to see how well it's received when the stands fill up again. And finally, to anyone who may find my opinions offensive, I offer no apology. By all means feel free to debate the issues, but please don't dismiss my views, just because you don't agree.
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jul 21, 2020 15:56:02 GMT
I'm not particularly for or against any of this.
My main gripe with things like this is the it's another token gesture. A show of support is only ever that, a show.
Like clapping for the NHS. It doesn't achieve anything. Think of a way that you can take action i.e. voting for a party that best represents your views.
To summarise, I'm fed up with empty/token gestures π
If the players wish to do this, good for them. I don't see how it is any business of the fans however.
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Post by parkhead98 on Jul 21, 2020 17:20:49 GMT
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I think it's hardly an empty/token gesture when the support being shown is for a movement responsible for mass protests and disruption throughout the country.
As for it being no business of the fans, of course it is. They pay to watch these players play football, not make political statements.
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jul 21, 2020 18:30:29 GMT
We pay for the players? That's tentative at best. We pay to watch them play if you want to be accurate. They are employed by the club. We don't own them.
It's an empty gesture in my eyes as it won't make any material difference without action. Whether it has an effect on the likelihood of action being taken is debatable.
You are seeking to restrict their right to protest. Oh aye it's fine to protest but not here. Where does that stop? Oh they can march but not in my street?
The whole idea is to make a collective statement. Would you rather they all wrote a lengthy post on twitter? Taking a knee is intertwined with the protest.
I may disagree with their stance but I'll fundamentally defend their right to protest.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Jul 21, 2020 19:57:23 GMT
Yes any form form of racism and sectarian issues should be highlighted until itβs stamped out.
Plenty black players have been singled out for abuse recently including Shay Logan, Clevid Dikamona, Scott Sinclair, Marvin Bartley, Christian Mbulu, Alfredo Morelos and Isma Concalves and both our clubs have had a supporter or supporters guilty off this, FFS we need to realise this is not about anything other than giving fellow human beings the right to equality, so Iβm for taking the kneel before games.
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Post by parkhead98 on Jul 21, 2020 20:04:15 GMT
First of all I didn't say that fans paid for or owned the players. I said fans pay to watch them play football, not make political statements.
Secondly, while I respect your view about the players actions being futile. I have to disagree. The fact that it's drawing massive media attention tells you it's having an impact. As for your point on action, what form should that take in your opinion?
Thirdly, I'm not seeking to restrict their right to protest. What I am saying is they shouldn't be using the football stage to promote a political agenda. Which is, by the way, in breach of FIFA and UEFA regulations.
Finally, I do agree that there are issues regarding racial equality, I just don't agree with the methods BLM are employing.
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jul 21, 2020 23:05:37 GMT
My apologies parky. I've been a bit tetchy today.
What I'm trying to get at is what methods you would deem acceptable. One of the reasons they take a knee is due to the backlash it received in America as it apparently disrespected the nation anthem.
As for using football to make political statements, what do sevco and Celtic do each week?
It's not as if this prevents them from playing game. It's a minutes silence on a bended knee. I don't really have a counterpoint but I'd ask what you would see as a suitable alternative?
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Post by drj1956 on Jul 22, 2020 7:55:55 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53486715An anti-racism charity say there is widespread support for the SPFL to endorse the Black Lives Matter message. Players in England's Premier League have been taking a knee before all matches since the season restarted. Show Racism The Red Card has called on Scotland's league body to emulate the gesture.
The SPFL responded: "Discussions have been ongoing between parties and we expect to be in a position to offer clarity in the coming days." It had previously indicated that it was a matter of individual choice. "We've been speaking to the SPFL and the PFA Scotland union and we now have full support from the players for action,"
Show Racism The Red Card's Jordan Allison told BBC Scotland. "The SPFL says it's up to the players if they want to take the knee. We feel it should be a stronger message than that. "The SPFL now has a fantastic opportunity to respond to this growing movement."
Personally, I think it would be wrong. Kneeling aside, the black fist salute emanates from the black power movement and is construed by many as similar to a certain other banned salute. The actual name of the movement is offensive to a large portion of the population because it implies that other lives don't matter. The BLM movement may deny it but they have a political agenda and there should be no place for politics in football or any other sport for that matter. I'm not racist. Some would say I must be because I'm questioning any proposals to allow these things to be part of Scottish football, and that's their right. But I am also entitled to a point of view, and it seems to me that people are jumping on this bandwagon purely through fear of being called a racist. I know that this is a delicate subject and I accept that I may incur the wrath of the Mods for this post, but this is a football related matter. It's been the "norm" in the EPL since the restart and while the authorities down there deem it a reasonable success, it will be interesting to see how well it's received when the stands fill up again. And finally, to anyone who may find my opinions offensive, I offer no apology. By all means feel free to debate the issues, but please don't dismiss my views, just because you don't agree. By and large, I pretty much agree with you. The media proclaim this as a powerful message. I'm just not seeing it that way. "FORCING" individuals go take a knee is achieving nothing. Clubs and associations need to take responsibility and deal properly with elements of footballing crowds who are unvolved in racist chants. By all means devote a page of match programs to the subject and get the message across but please don't bore me with pointless gestures.
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