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VAR
Feb 28, 2018 20:34:08 GMT
Post by drj1956 on Feb 28, 2018 20:34:08 GMT
VAR been used at several cup ties in England this season to date. What are the views on it so far and do we want it in Scotland.
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VAR
Feb 28, 2018 20:38:10 GMT
Post by MTS on Feb 28, 2018 20:38:10 GMT
Watching the Spurs game at the moment and it’s a joke, disallowed a good goal for Spurs, gave Spurs a penalty when the foul was outside the box.
It also agreed with the Referee and disallowed the goal from the penalty as the player feinted in the run up.
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VAR
Feb 28, 2018 20:39:05 GMT
Post by hfc on Feb 28, 2018 20:39:05 GMT
YES, SHAW'S GOAL WOULD HAVE STOOD!
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Post by drj1956 on Feb 28, 2018 20:58:15 GMT
YES, SHAW'S GOAL WOULD HAVE STOOD! What? The offside one?
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Post by maroon1 on Mar 1, 2018 4:19:15 GMT
I'm 100% against it
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Mar 1, 2018 16:34:54 GMT
Post by K19 on Mar 1, 2018 16:34:54 GMT
What I don't get is how the VAR gets it wrong. At least going by the reports they are getting it wrong, I haven't actually seen it in operation yet. Does the ref get to see the monitor or does he just get told in his earpiece? Does the tv viewer hear the conversation between ref and VAR?
The ball in normally in play for about 60 minutes out of the 90 so a few time outs for VAR shouldn't ruin a game but if it's taking 2 or 3 minutes to make a decision and they still get it wrong then that's clearly not good enough. How long does it take? How many times is it used in a match?
I'm for it in principle - anything which reduces the risk of refs making wrong calls should be welcomed.
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Mar 1, 2018 17:45:17 GMT
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Post by drj1956 on Mar 1, 2018 17:45:17 GMT
To answer some of your questions.
The other night there was 5 minutes additional time played in first half due solely to VAR stoppages
I don't think they do get decisions wrong although some of them are close calls
No, the viewer doesn't get to hear the deliberation.
If it is a clear error the var ref makes the call. If it is unclear the ref may chose to view it on a screen for himself.
Each decision seems to take an age and most definitely slows the flow of the game down.
The media seem to hate it but hey who cares what they think. It does need to get slicker though.
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Post by K19 on Mar 2, 2018 4:35:33 GMT
Cheers DrJ, I read the BBC report on the VAR issues - seems to me one obvious step is to keep the fans informed via screens and microphone links. www.bbc.com/sport/football/43234569
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VAR
Mar 2, 2018 8:48:43 GMT
Post by drj1956 on Mar 2, 2018 8:48:43 GMT
The media keep going on about it needing to be a clear and obvious error. Im not sure that is the absolute definition for all calls. Offside for example, one you lay the grid down on the photo, you are either off or onside, doesn't really matter whether it is obvious or not.
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Mar 2, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
Post by HerefordBull on Mar 2, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
All other Sports ( Rugby, Cricket, Tennis et al) that employ a video replay seem to benefit from it and the crowd embrace it and you don't often hear complaints that the viewing official got it wrong. The only exception recently to this was the Welsh "try" the other week that was not given........however having watched it I feel there is a case for the "No Try" ruling as the Welsh lad applied sideways and not downward pressure.......and I'm Welsh!
Why can't football get a system that works simpler and better.......every game VAR is employed in seems to increase the controversy and now fans have little or no confidence in it??
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Post by meldrumjambo on Mar 3, 2018 9:40:02 GMT
......every game VAR is employed in seems to increase the controversy and now fans have little or no confidence in it?? I think this is because there are so many people (traditionalists??) still against it, that they are just looking for reasons to slate it, and point out all the problems and blowing up any slight issues, rather than looking at the whole picture objectively, and not interested in finding improvement solutions to the initial teething troubles that are always gonna occur with any new system. There are far to many "honest mistakes" during matches, and this, while not infallable, goes some way to ironing out these errors. Hopefully, at least the majority of wrong decisions will eventually be overturned so if you score a goal, it counts; if you punch someone, it gets spotted and you get punished, etc, etc.
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Mar 3, 2018 10:55:12 GMT
Post by drj1956 on Mar 3, 2018 10:55:12 GMT
Don't you think also, MELDRUM, that a lot of the adverse publicity is being drummed up by tv media?
It definitely does need speeding up but essentially I agree with Meldrums comments.
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Post by meldrumjambo on Mar 3, 2018 11:57:31 GMT
Absolutely drj. The media, in general, are not all convinced - some are, some aren't. Surprisingly, the majority of the ex-player pundits seem to be against it, and they have the platform to influence the thinking of millions. For example, that wavy line that they messed up the offside decision a couple of weeks ago: that was an obvious f*ck up, but the pundits were on it like a pack of wolves - scrap the system! absolutely useless! embarrassing! etc. FFS - give it a chance boys - yes there will be teething problems, but nothing that can't be ironed out or improved upon. And as for the time it takes: I watched a snooker match a few days ago where it took the referee about 3 or 4 minutes to get all the balls replaced after a foul shot - none of the audience or pundits were up in arms about that - because, at the end of the day, the balls were replaced correctly and the game continued in a fair and correct fashion. And have you seen how long it takes to set up a free kick around the box?! drawing the lines, getting the wall back, setting it up, fannying about with who the taker is gonna be etc, etc. Yet nobody complains about the game being stopped for another 3 or 4 minutes for that! I'm 100% for the VAR System, even though it might hold up the game for a few minutes, but I'm just glad it wasn't in operation for the "Hand of God" in 1986!
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Mar 3, 2018 11:59:18 GMT
Post by meldrumjambo on Mar 3, 2018 11:59:18 GMT
VAR been used at several cup ties in England this season to date. What are the views on it so far and do we want it in Scotland. But unfortunately, we can't afford it in Scotland!
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Mar 3, 2018 12:27:17 GMT
Post by HerefordBull on Mar 3, 2018 12:27:17 GMT
Quite correct Meldrum so lets hope they come up with a system soon.
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