rudix3
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Post by rudix3 on Apr 15, 2020 20:33:07 GMT
Worst thing out of all this is Doncaster will come out this untouched. Cunts more safer than kin Jong-un.
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Post by MTS on Apr 15, 2020 20:42:04 GMT
Total rebuild required for next season regardless of what division we’re in. All the serial losers can GTF and that includes Stendel. A new CEO urgently required that has a vast experience running a football club. We’ve got to be rebuilt and ready for the start of the season.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 15, 2020 21:14:20 GMT
When I have time I’ll link you to something I posted. Legally it isn’t possible. Still waiting patiently for a response JJ The outcome still isn’t clear yet but getting clearer unless Queen Ann manages to find a resolution to reconstruction that can be agreed 🤔
It's in the conversation on this thread (which I started) but in essence you can just read my first post.
All you really need to read is the following: If we take a step back from being fans for a moment and realise that Hearts is a business and we have 24 points to play for and are only 6 points away from absolute safety and 4 points away from a play-off place, it would be totally inequitable to relegate a team under these circumstances and consequentially cause significant economic loss. It would be a law-suit waiting to happen.
If they end the league and relegate us there is no doubt in my mind that this would be seen as an unfair punishment on Hearts - regardless of current league form. It is highly unlikely that there are rules governing this predicament but they are not needed in this situation for Hearts, or whoever else, to prevail.
Much of what I had to say is in piecemeal fashion on that site but in essence here is what everyone needs to understand: Heart of Midlothian football club is a business. The SPFL's (potential) act of demoting Hearts will unjustly cause great economic detriment to the business and provide unjust enrichment to other teams, such as St Mirren. There are, at present, 24 points to play for and Hearts are only 4 points off a play-off spot and 6 points from absolute safety. Legally speaking, it would be totally inequitable to cause such grave economic loss to a business by means of centralised decision making (on the part of the SPFL) which Hearts did not agree to.
If the argument is made, and it may be, that Hearts signed up to any terms/clauses that the SPFL is enacting if they demote us, Hearts can legally argue in court that these clauses are onerous and that such conditions that we find ourselves in now - pandemic, 24 points to play for, severe and inequitable economic harm and possible distress - were not reasonably foreseeable at the time Hearts agreed to any such terms. Indeed, an argument could be made that we agreed to such terms out of economic necessity (to function as a business) when the new football set up was created in Scotland in 1998 and were not freely agreed to like one would expect in a normal contractual matter.
The above is why I know we will win - and I say that as a former lawyer familiar with all this 'stuff' and how courts address issues like this.
The real issue may be this: if they demote us then we win the court case... then what?
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 15, 2020 21:15:14 GMT
Total rebuild required for next season regardless of what division we’re in. All the serial losers can GTF and that includes Stendel. A new CEO urgently required that has a vast experience running a football club. We’ve got to be rebuilt and ready for the start of the season. I had actually forgotten about Standel!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 23:12:52 GMT
I am done Never thought I would ever say this but I don't give a damn what happens. I have been sickened by the whole debacle and Scottish football should be ashamed of itself. It will take me a long time, if ever, to give a shit about what is going on in the SPFL. Fuck them all including the Hearts board if they go along with this. I am done.
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Post by jambo18 on Apr 16, 2020 1:36:33 GMT
I can only seeing us being relegated now to be honest They have relegated Partick who had a game In hand and if they had won that they would have not been in 10th so what chance do we have to stay up being four points behind
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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 16, 2020 6:17:55 GMT
I am done Never thought I would ever say this but I don't give a damn what happens. I have been sickened by the whole debacle and Scottish football should be ashamed of itself. It will take me a long time, if ever, to give a shit about what is going on in the SPFL. Fuck them all including the Hearts board if they go along with this. I am done. Pretty much in the same place, might change at the start of the new season, but just disgusted with the whole thing now. even if there is a reconstruction it only proves it is all a farce and deals are done in private with a sham vote to make it look legit. do Hearts and Sevco really care, or were thy just making a show of protesting so they can say they tried and are hard done to? Secretly both desperate for the cash and wanting it paid out anyway? The board can now free all the players with relegation clauses and save a fortune over the summer and potentially beyond. We are basically right back where we started at the first budgment day. Our season tickets went on sale, if we are in the championship then they should be more than 10% less, but now prices are set they can’t be changed. ive been a huge supporter of Anne Budge but ultimately we are right back where we started. Suppose the new main stand is the legacy. The interview talking about laying players a higher basic so they got paid if they were injured or we lost coincided with lots of mystery injuries and a dip in performance. Anyone can see the players didn’t look motivated and this has to be a big part of that. Yes it allowed us to sign bigger names but they were pretty much all shite and last it. How she has allowed Leven to stay on is beyond me. Both claim to love the club, they have to see what they are doing to it.
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 16, 2020 8:57:12 GMT
One big disappointment is that she did not kick Levein into touch as soon as he was to be relieved. This would not have sat well with the fans in general. I still feel you had enough there to save yourselves from relegation but cannot explain why Hearts got poor results except against sevco and Hibs?? Feel your pain lads but perhaps Budge can pull one last rabbit out of the bag with reconstruction but feel they will still need a miracle if an 11 : 1 vote is needed. It will be interesting to see what they can come up with that will interest all SPL sides and ensure that monies, especially TV and Sky, is not lost. The only certain thing is that the SPFL and its dealings are rotten to the core and at present there is even less hope for Scottish Football. Sad days.
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Post by countyjambo on Apr 16, 2020 9:24:45 GMT
Never happening Newhaven, let's hope we have a draw together in the cups next season for some Derby shenigans
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rudix3
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Post by rudix3 on Apr 16, 2020 9:36:59 GMT
It has to be this resolution that's challenged newhavenhibby, If this resolution doesn't get challenge and thrown out it's to late imo. All the cards are lined up right in this current debacle. We won't achieve all the change that is need.
Sevco are on board and want to stop 9 in a row, meaning we have some leverage. Doncaster's head is on a shaky nail, SPFL handling of this has been underhand and if clubs start coming forward to their dealings their whole network will topple. We could start Scottish football on a complete fresh start.
Any one read Ann Lastest statement? Key part
"This is what must now be addressed through a temporary change to the league structure to cope with what is likely to be 2 very “abnormal” seasons."
Fucking temporary! Fuck off Ann, what have you been promised! Wheres Sevco statement to?? This why the vote debacle can't be ignored. I just want this corrupt bent system blown wide open. I don't care what it means for Hearts!
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Post by parkhead98 on Apr 16, 2020 9:54:40 GMT
Bottom line is, the turkeys have voted for Christmas.
They can talk of bringing the season to a conclusion, they can talk of handing out titles, demotions and prize money, they can talk of securing European places and they can talk of league reconstruction. But at this time, It's all irrelevant.
Dangling the 'prize money now' carrot was always going to influence the SPFL's vote, but that is only a short term solution. I'm wondering how many "turkeys" will survive this in the long run?
Nobody knows when this disgusting Chinese virus is going to be brought under control. And even if it is, how long before crowds will be allowed back into football stadiums? FFS, some people are talking about social distancing lasting for the next 12 months or more.
I know it all sounds like doom and gloom, but have the powers that be given any thought to that? Do they really think everything's going to be alright come August?
Worldwide, thousands of people are losing their lives every day because of this terrible virus and I really do wish it would end tomorrow, but it won't and life won't be the same for some time.
Sorry to be so downbeat, but while the human suffering will always overshadow everything else, I do fear for the future of football in general, and our club in particular.
Apologies again for being so sombre.
Parkie.
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 16, 2020 10:09:49 GMT
It has to be this resolution that's challenged newhavenhibby, If this resolution doesn't get challenge and thrown out it's to late imo. All the cards are lined up right in this current debacle. We won't achieve all the change that is need. Sevco are on board and want to stop 9 in a row, meaning we have some leverage. Doncaster's head is on a shaky nail, SPFL handling of this has been underhand and if clubs start coming forward to their dealings their whole network will topple. We could start Scottish football on a complete fresh start. Any one read Ann Lastest statement? Key part "This is what must now be addressed through a temporary change to the league structure to cope with what is likely to be 2 very “abnormal” seasons." Fucking temporary! Fuck off Ann, what have you been promised! Wheres Sevco statement to?? This why the vote debacle can't be ignored. I just want this corrupt bent system blown wide open. I don't care what it means for Hearts! Agreed Rudi but there are no real signs as yet. They seem to have given Budge the job of restructuring so as to keep her involved at the sharp end and not thinking of any challenge. Sevco have been deafening in their silence since the Dundee vote?.......although Gerrard has said today there should be an enquiry. As I said earlier its just a shambles and gives Scottish Football more cause to be a laughing stock. A complete fresh start would be brilliant...........
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Post by jambo18 on Apr 16, 2020 10:31:37 GMT
I might be reading into this too much but for Dundee a team in 3rd with a chance of promotion through the play off To pass the vote through I can see restructuring going like this:
Prem- 14 teams - Hearts down Dundee United,Inverness and Dundee up(top 3 of championship)
Championship- 10 teams- Hearts relegated Falkirk and Raith promoted from L1
League 1- 10 teams Partick relegated (from championship) Cove and Edinburgh promoted
League 2-11 teams Kelty and Brora promoted as Lowland and Highland champions It’s also crazy how Brechin are not getting relegated.
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Post by MTS on Apr 16, 2020 10:43:37 GMT
Budgie Statement today
Yesterday afternoon’s announcement that Dundee FC has re-cast its vote, in support of the SPFL’s written resolution of 8th April leaves me both disillusioned and bitterly disappointed. Believe me when I say that I know that you, our supporters, will be equally disappointed and indeed angry. As I have said previously, I believe the whole process has been incredibly badly handled and shows Scottish Football in a very poor light. The reasons for Hearts and others voting against this resolution have been well-documented and, sadly, anyone who believes this decision will draw a line under the whole matter, is in my opinion being optimistic indeed. Suffice to say that I believe the SPFL should have admitted that errors had been made in the handling of this resolution, withdrawn it and asked Clubs to revote. The outcome may have been the same but at least some of the criticisms would have been addressed.
However, it is now of paramount importance that we do not give up in our efforts to right this wrong. We will continue to fight for this. I have said from the outset that it was imperative that we find a solution that ensures no club is penalised by relegation in a situation where the leagues cannot be finished. The financial consequences are enormous. Many others agree with that view. While some clubs may lose out to an extent in terms of what “might have been”, the 3 clubs in relegation spots with many points still to play for, face financial consequences that no-one appears to feel are either fair or reasonable. This is what must now be addressed through a temporary change to the league structure to cope with what is likely to be 2 very “abnormal” seasons.
Over the past week Hearts have been working to fully understand the consequences, financial and otherwise, of possible changes for next season. We will continue to do so, working with other member clubs and supported by the SPFL, where required, to put through the changes needed to right the potential wrongs of relegation in this situation. We will speak to all 42 clubs and discuss options in a totally open and transparent manner and do our very best to win their support.
I have been told by a number of clubs that they are keen to find a way to work together to find a solution which we can all get behind.
While Hearts have not at this time been relegated, Partick Thistle and Stranraer have. This should not be happening and we will do everything in our power to find a solution with a positive outcome that works, not just for the 3 clubs in relegation spots, but for all of Scottish Football.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 16, 2020 11:43:33 GMT
Can we leave Scottish football behind and join the EPL? I would. Have a 'friendly' cup competition at the end of the season versus Hibs so we have one derby a year and winner gets the trophy. Outrageous.
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