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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 22, 2020 17:44:46 GMT
I don't see any scientific evidence to say that we are all at risk - only people with poor immune systems etc. I think we will see, once we have testing on a very large scale, that the majority of the population are immune to it.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Apr 22, 2020 17:48:57 GMT
I don't see any scientific evidence to say that we are all at risk - only people with poor immune systems etc. I think we will see, once we have testing on a very large scale, that the majority of the population are immune to it. JJ you need to watch the news more, everyone is at risk, more so elderly and those with underlying issues but not solely that group, also super spreaders can carry the virus without knowledge and pass it on hence the lockdown, please don’t think you are safe and carry on as normal if your younger.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 22, 2020 17:57:18 GMT
I'm reading now, reports from Italy that the World health Orgamisation want to see large sporting events postponed until summer 2021.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 22, 2020 18:03:11 GMT
I'm reading now, reports from Italy that the World health Orgamisation want to see large sporting events postponed until summer 2021. I am hugely scepitcal of any UN entity and I am quite sure that what they say is merely advisory and not more than that.
If we were to postpone sport until then, we would destroy the whole market. Only some clubs could recover from a hiatus. In that event I can see government coercing companies/landlords etc so that clubs don't have to pay any fees for their land etc but then you take into account the players and other staff plus everything will have a knock on effect.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 22, 2020 18:05:14 GMT
I don't see any scientific evidence to say that we are all at risk - only people with poor immune systems etc. I think we will see, once we have testing on a very large scale, that the majority of the population are immune to it. JJ you need to watch the news more, everyone is at risk, more so elderly and those with underlying issues but not solely that group, also super spreaders can carry the virus without knowledge and pass it on hence the lockdown, please don’t think you are safe and carry on as normal if your younger. Thanks for your concern.
What I meant to say is that yes we are all at risk of getting it but anyone (not just young), it would appear, are not at risk of dying from it unless you have poor immune system (could be caused by genetics, possibly) or are high risk.
Interestingly, if what seems to be the case about Sweden is true (they didn't have a lockdown and instead adopted a policy of herd immunity whereby their citizens would all get the virus but be able to fight it off), they will be in a great position if there is a second wave but we and other countries won't be because we didn't develop this herd immunity.
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Post by parkhead98 on Apr 22, 2020 18:34:20 GMT
JJ you need to watch the news more, everyone is at risk, more so elderly and those with underlying issues but not solely that group, also super spreaders can carry the virus without knowledge and pass it on hence the lockdown, please don’t think you are safe and carry on as normal if your younger. Thanks for your concern.
What I meant to say is that yes we are all at risk of getting it but anyone (not just young), it would appear, are not at risk of dying from it unless you have poor immune system (could be caused by genetics, possibly) or are high risk.
Interestingly, if what seems to be the case about Sweden is true (they didn't have a lockdown and instead adopted a policy of herd immunity whereby their citizens would all get the virus but be able to fight it off), they will be in a great position if there is a second wave but we and other countries won't be because we didn't develop this herd immunity.
Junior, everyone is at risk. What makes you think that only the elderly and people with underlying health issues are likely to die? Explain then, if you can, why hundreds of perfectly healthy people are succumbing to this disease. You seem to be of the opinion that exposure will build up an immunity, yet every day you read of young front line workers being struck down after exposure to this vile virus.
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Post by hfc on Apr 22, 2020 18:47:50 GMT
So if the season is called to a halt and Cellic are declared Champs then the Tarts will only vote on reconstruction as a Championship side having been relegated. Interesting that one.
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Post by countyjambo on Apr 22, 2020 19:02:51 GMT
We are going nowhere with reconstruction because of the uneven voting system and the current Sky deal which is all about the old scum
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 22, 2020 19:04:25 GMT
I know where junior is coming from in that the majority of younger people after they have caught it will recover and develop antibodies. Many will have had it and recovered or not even know they have had it. ( although they could spread it to others) Older people and younger ones with underlying conditions will not be so lucky. Those younger ones ( and any older people) who recover will build up a resistance so should be able to resist further infection. An antibody test will be far more relevant in the short term to see who has had it and built up resistance.
The amount of virus you are exposed to, seems to be a factor, so health workers who are constantly exposed to it can be susceptible at any age. Some ethnic groups also seem more prone.
The problem is no one knows which approach is the best, total lockdown or the Swedish view? Only times will tell and we will get more idea once countries start to come out of lockdown. Whilst in lockdown the virus is not dying off and will be around as we come out of it and we will have to wait and see if secondary spikes occur.
I am not advocating one way or another as I don't know, but we all have to rely on the Government and their medical advisers and follow their recommendations.
Stay safe.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 22, 2020 21:37:26 GMT
Thanks for your concern.
What I meant to say is that yes we are all at risk of getting it but anyone (not just young), it would appear, are not at risk of dying from it unless you have poor immune system (could be caused by genetics, possibly) or are high risk.
Interestingly, if what seems to be the case about Sweden is true (they didn't have a lockdown and instead adopted a policy of herd immunity whereby their citizens would all get the virus but be able to fight it off), they will be in a great position if there is a second wave but we and other countries won't be because we didn't develop this herd immunity.
Junior, everyone is at risk. What makes you think that only the elderly and people with underlying health issues are likely to die? Explain then, if you can, why hundreds of perfectly healthy people are succumbing to this disease. You seem to be of the opinion that exposure will build up an immunity, yet every day you read of young front line workers being struck down after exposure to this vile virus. By reply I'll refer to what Newhaven said about front line staff but I don't know that this is 100% true but I believe it to be the case.
It would seem that, implicitly, sporting events won't return anytime soon.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Apr 23, 2020 7:49:40 GMT
Well NH and junior I for one don’t trust any government figures, yes the health experts have to be listened to. But a herd mentality potentially exposing and killing millions more, no thanks. Scotland seem to be the only country where non hospital deaths are included and even that is probably short on the numbers of actual deaths, wait until others produce the proper stats then the world will really be in meltdown and turn on the politicians who have been very slow to react at every turn, you can sense that they will blame the experts even though they didn’t take things that seriously at first! The UK would have been more like the US if it hadn’t been for Boris getting it in my opinion, and the media would be more demanding of lifting restrictions. Every life should be protected and shielded as long as necessary to rid society of the virus or get some form of vaccine, this isn’t going away soon and talk of mass gatherings won’t start soon, wether we get football behind closed doors maybe the only way we get any in the foreseeable future, businesses will gradually be allowed to restart to boost economies. Social distancing will be around for a long time (shopping etc) in my opinion. Concerts, festivals and sporting games fans will be the last thing returned to normal.
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Post by MTS on Apr 23, 2020 8:35:46 GMT
I’m just listening to the scientific advisors talking about wearing face masks. Most countries are making it compulsory but they’re suggesting we don’t buy them as it will put the supply to the NHS at risk. They’re also saying wearing a mask won’t stop you from getting the virus but will stop you giving the virus to somebody. What kind of statement is that. The advice is if you want to wear a mask, make your own or put a scarf over your face.
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Post by countyjambo on Apr 23, 2020 8:41:34 GMT
Think that is a fair point Dav, there is no short term fix and all age groups will be affected, get the blinkers off fellas, government stats are a bone of contention, are they included certain groups or not. IMO the worldpay have to reset everything, wages, staffing etc and football has to come a long way down the line before the nations health, don't think you are immune just how bad you get it is the issues.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 23, 2020 8:55:17 GMT
My friend just had a test. She had the virus but has developed anti bodies to it naturally and she can’t pass it on. She’s 32
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 23, 2020 8:58:53 GMT
As I said dav, I don't know which is right and as you said you have to be sceptical of figures( I did not say believe them for figures but to trust their advice).....from all countries and not just the UK. Politicians in many countries have been slow to react and underestimated the virus. Who in Spain thought it was a good idea to let 3000 + Madrid fans go to Liverpool for a football match??
As I said, time will tell if Sweden are right or wrong. I am watching the figures from the USA where each state is deciding what measures to take which range from being open with social distancing to total lockdown.
I am not advocating everyone going back to normal, as you say, aspects of this social distancing will be with us for a very long time, and as for mass gatherings......?
Hong Kong flu of 1968 killed over 30,000 in the UK and over 2 million worldwide, so this is heading that way despite the lockdown. Spanish flu earlier in the century killed many more than that. These strains of flu are still around and keep mutating which is why there isn't just a flu vaccine that "acts for all flu" Effects of these flus can be seen in all countries, especially the USA where this season alone getting on for 30 million have contracted it, over half a million have been hospitalized and deaths are estimated between 40,000 and 60,000. SARS is slightly different but basically this virus will be around for a long time. ( as are the strains of the last major SARS outbreak a few tears ago)
As you say every life should be protected and the danger is that as countries open up and younger people go out and about more, who may or may not have had it, they can still carry the virus and pass it on to more vulnerable people. Having worked in practice for nearly 40 years in the NHS and being on more cross infection courses I care to mention, I fully understand the need for measures we are adopting at present and that they will be with us in some form or other for a long time.
If nothing else comes out of this perhaps the general public will realise the importance of hand washing!
Thanks for doing the job you are doing dav and keeping the country going.
Everyone, stay safe.
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