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Post by juniorjambo93 on May 9, 2020 21:28:53 GMT
Why would Hibs want us to go down? I wouldn’t vote for them to go down because I enjoy the derbies, they’re great for the finances and they make the Prem better (often for amusement purposes and, more often than not, our goal difference..).
Seems strange to me.
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Post by MTS on May 9, 2020 21:37:00 GMT
Why would Hibs want us to go down? I wouldn’t vote for them to go down because I enjoy the derbies, they’re great for the finances and they make the Prem better (often for amusement purposes and, more often than not, our goal difference..). Seems strange to me. Ask Dav and hfc
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Post by rudix3 on May 9, 2020 22:59:15 GMT
Am sure Robbie would come back, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get approach. bigger budget, better facilities. Dundee utd is hardly living the dream. Lol
Hibs want us down or to die as a club as we really have cut them deep over the years. Their our jealous bitter little brother really, who will never really understand we need each other. No better feeling than walking back over the bridge of doom having taken another scalp. Am sure they will say the same at Tyne.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on May 10, 2020 6:52:15 GMT
Why would Hibs want us to go down? I wouldn’t vote for them to go down because I enjoy the derbies, they’re great for the finances and they make the Prem better (often for amusement purposes and, more often than not, our goal difference..). Seems strange to me. Ask Dav and hfc I’d prefer Hearts to not go down, but you’re bottom with 4 wins all season (albeit 2 against us), you should be rightfully relegated / ejected / demoted or whatever you call it if the season was ended, had it been us I couldn’t have argued. I get your feelings that it’s unfair but for Budge to say clubs are only self interested parties is very true and the only reason she’s making a song and dance about it is self preservation. If the football authorities (Scottish / UEFA) allow season ending and positions to stand and we end the season then take your medicine without threatening to sue everyone under the sun. Reconstruction is a white elephant as the Sky deal want 4 bigot feasts, temporary reconstruction is not a great alternative in my opinion, what I want will never happen (18 team top league) again self preservation. The factors that got you into this position remain the fault of one person Anne Budge! Too slow to remove Levein from his management roll to the point he is still around the club today. Allowing McPhee to be Levein’s puppet so long. Not having a plan B when the fans had been calling for their heads for months, the Scottish Cup run was a distraction and any manager could have guided you through that draw, and yet they were given another full summer transfer window being heavily backed to change things. As someone said in here it’s been a bit like football manager on Xbox or PS4! Off the pitch your fans have been great for you’re club, in the board room slow to react to circumstances on it. So in summery although I will miss the derby for a season (maybe more if you don’t sort yourselves out or you go up and we go down), I think it’s the only decision that can be made.
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Post by fredstersafool on May 10, 2020 7:20:54 GMT
You can bet yer house on the fact we wouldn’t have voted for league reconstruction if we were safe, like Dav says and we’ve all said this is down to her not growing a pair and sacking Levein, all Budge is doing here is trying to save face that boat IMO sailed long ago.
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Post by HerefordBull on May 10, 2020 8:19:24 GMT
Why would Hibs want us to go down? I wouldn’t vote for them to go down because I enjoy the derbies, they’re great for the finances and they make the Prem better (often for amusement purposes and, more often than not, our goal difference..). Seems strange to me. I have always said I don't want Hearts to go down........for exactly the reasons you say Junior, as with the shoe on the other foot some of the best moments I have witnessed have come against Hearts........get in there Hanlon.... ( just the jokers on .net who are slavering over it....idiots) The SPFL reacted too quickly in finishing the lower leagues and then leaving the SPL in the air? Naturally clubs look to vote on the SPFL proposals that suit their club best and not what might be best for Scottish football. At the start they should have looked at reconstruction and if it could not be done immediately then the Season should have been null and void whilst continuing the discussions towards a solution. Tough on clubs like Dundee United ( don't care about the smellies 9 in a row) but in these unusual times there cannot be a solution without some losers. Some sort of financial recompense could of perhaps been negotiated with these clubs from the SPFL that would have been promoted to help them in their new push next year, but that would have to be open for debate of course. As usual the SPFL have made a dogs dinner of this and to call the leagues as complete as they stand is nonsense. Reconstruction may still have to happen if some clubs don't come out the other side of this pandemic. Stay safe one and all.
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Post by parkhead98 on May 10, 2020 9:50:32 GMT
There's no doubt Budge has fucked up on football related matters, but from a business point of view I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm just now. She's been slated over the way the club handled players wage reductions, but in the long run I think that approach will be proved correct and will give the club the best chance of survival.
As I keep saying, the money clubs have/will receive from the SPFL will only cover most of them short term. The same can be said about season ticket sales. At this moment most clubs are reliant on the government Job Retention scheme to subsidise staff and player wages, but that isn't going to last much longer.
The real problem for a lot of clubs will come when, or indeed if, the new season gets underway. Late summer/early autumn is when this will bite hardest. With the increasing likelihood of there being no gate receipts this year, a lot of clubs will flounder.
Now, I don't know if the SPFL, SPL, SFA or whoever have enough financial clout to bail out any struggling clubs but, by their own admission, they don't have the mandate.
Would the Scottish government be willing to offer aid? Well maybe, but there is already, and there will be a lot of other hands reaching out for help.
I know it all sounds grim, but that's the reality of it. And I sometimes wonder if the dumplings who are supposed to be running Scottish football realise the severity of the situation. As far as I can see, the only things they have done so far have been short term solutions. It seems to me they have no idea how to at least try and set up a long term strategy. Instead all they've done is create an environment that has led to an even greater mistrust in them as well as bickering and resentment between member clubs.
I don't know what the future holds, but one thing is for sure, the set up in Scottish football is going to look a lot different this time next year. And with a bit of luck, there will be a complete overhaul of the governing associations.
Keep safe everyone.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on May 10, 2020 10:06:31 GMT
Sensible post parkhead, the realisation that many clubs may fold in the coming weeks / months might be the factor that gets a proper reconstruction on the table, not a short term fix which could be t*ts up before we get players back on the pitch.
Already one German club has reported 2 players with Covid, if the teams play there no celebrations and shaking hand allowed, how the f*ck to they organise a wall at a FK.
The VE Day celebrations in England were nuts and with Boris ready to relax issues wait for a huge spike in 2 weeks time that will finish any hope of games being played with mass supporters for the rest of the year minimum.
Back to the proposal nobody could agree one clear path ahead for reconstruction temporarily or permanently and so until we know what the picture looks like when we restart it’s pointless trying to sort it now when all focus should be about playing and getting fans into stadiums again.
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Post by ek1 on May 10, 2020 10:47:06 GMT
Correct Dav. Dynamo Dresden, who are due to restart games next Sunday have put enire playing and coaching staff on 2 weeks self isolation, therefore informing league that they are unable to fulfill their upcoming fixture. I doubt this will be the only occasion where this happens and anyone contemplating the Bundeslig 1 & 2 being completed are insane imho Cant see fans in any stadiums in 2020
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Post by juniorjambo93 on May 10, 2020 14:09:05 GMT
I haven't read it all but Inverness have made a very big statement that includes the following: "Without going into the specifics at this time, please know that we will testify to the bullying and threats made against our club on Friday 10th by an SPFL Board member and the threats against others by the same SPFL Board member and how these threats were “reported back to the centre” and to the SPFL CEO directly on the day with evidence at any genuine independent investigation with the proper and appropriate scope, should there be one, or at any further subsequent action thereafter. These were threats and not robust conversations."
"We now know that a number of Premiership clubs have put an end to that opportunity and that was their prerogative although this decision will now cost Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer huge additional financial damage. We find these forced demotions abhorrent and utterly beyond our Board’s belief in fairness and sporting integrity."
Their website has crashed so can't link the whole thing.
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Post by hfc on May 10, 2020 14:10:29 GMT
Am sure Robbie would come back, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get approach. bigger budget, better facilities. Dundee utd is hardly living the dream. Lol Hibs want us down or to die as a club as we really have cut them deep over the years. Their our jealous bitter little brother really, who will never really understand we need each other. No better feeling than walking back over the bridge of doom having taken another scalp. Am sure they will say the same at Tyne. Hmmm, let's ask Stendel if he is living the dream right now. I don't care if the Tarts stay up or go down. They deserve to go down on the basis of how the season has panned out, no question there, they have been awful for the most part. Now all Hibby's will misss the Derby, we all will. I also don't believe that LD wants the Tarts to go down bearing in mind the Derby gates which are always the biggest of the season and obviously creates the most interest for both us and our noisy wee neighbours. As for wanting the Tarts to die, well where's the fun in that. I'd rather get the chance to beat them whether we do or not.
Footnote: £££££££££££££££ heap big money next season which all the clubs will need. Why would you want to split that cash more ways with extending the league and diluting the cash pot. JUST SAYING.. , MAKES SENSE IF U ASK ME, HOWEVER HARSH ON THE TARTS.
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Post by rudix3 on May 10, 2020 14:42:47 GMT
"They deserve to go down on the basis of how the season has panned out, no question there, they have been awful for the most part."
You see you make no sense here. Is the season over or not! You refer to the season being completed in the open comment then incomplete.
May I remind you that in the season you followed us down at this stage in the season you looked safe! Only to completely shit the bed and blow it. How can you possibly predict the future results. As you are on a roll predicting things you also seem to know what future deal and money in the pot that is available to clubs should the league grow. So do fill us in... what was on the table... because the way I read it these questions got shot down before even explored!
I mean I genuinely thought a new tv deal would be struck and the old one would be irrelevant as its impossible to for fill. Rules and contracts are only on paper and can be changed to suit the current needs. New and the unknown should not be feared my friend. The pot would not get smaller if it did it should only be for celtic and Sevco to close the ridiculous gap. You should be pissed at your club not wanting change or at least to explore what benefits their could be before simply naromindled shooting something down.
Another point you can answer me, how are clubs that heavily rely on old firm gate cash going to survive with out crowds if the season restarts or a new season begins? Chances of getting to a game this year aren't looking good imo. To many clubs have alot of their eggs in this basket and it's a poor business model.
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Post by drj1956 on May 10, 2020 16:15:49 GMT
the next few days are going to get very interesting. I really dont see Sevco getting their 75% but with some of the scathing statements coming out now, the SPFL may have no choice but to call an independent investigation.
it may rely on the media not letting it go away but I just the think the position of the current board is now untenable
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Post by hfc on May 10, 2020 16:24:23 GMT
"They deserve to go down on the basis of how the season has panned out, no question there, they have been awful for the most part." You see you make no sense here. Is the season over or not! You refer to the season being completed in the open comment then incomplete. May I remind you that in the season you followed us down at this stage in the season you looked safe! Only to completely shit the bed and blow it. How can you possibly predict the future results. As you are on a roll predicting things you also seem to know what future deal and money in the pot that is available to clubs should the league grow. So do fill us in... what was on the table... because the way I read it these questions got shot down before even explored! I mean I genuinely thought a new tv deal would be struck and the old one would be irrelevant as its impossible to for fill. Rules and contracts are only on paper and can be changed to suit the current needs. New and the unknown should not be feared my friend. The pot would not get smaller if it did it should only be for celtic and Sevco to close the ridiculous gap. You should be pissed at your club not wanting change or at least to explore what benefits their could be before simply naromindled shooting something down. Another point you can answer me, how are clubs that heavily rely on old firm gate cash going to survive with out crowds if the season restarts or a new season begins? Chances of getting to a game this year aren't looking good imo. To many clubs have alot of their eggs in this basket and it's a poor business model. The season has finished in the lower leagues and Dundee United deserve to come up the way the season has panned out. Their league wasn't completed either rudix but it has been called. They deserve to come up. Not sure why you say "completed and incomplete?" what did i say? should i have said "thus far"? If the season is called then u get the place ur in which is what u deserve imo. Next point is £money. 12 teams in a league will split a total prize fund currently unknown but will have an additional £9m of SKY money that it never had last/current season. So clearly a 14-16-18 team league would dilute the prize pot potential for clubs to make. That seems quite obvious to me. Why would the other clubs agree to their cut being watered down when it's clear that all clubs will suffer to some degree. Individual clubs will want to safeguard their own clubs. I have no issue with this. Sevco want the league cancelled/null and void to stop Cellic's 9 in a row. The Tarts want to save themselves from relegation. Nothing wrong with that. Just clubs looking out for their own interests. The so-called greater good of the game is a nonsense. This is a business and clubs are on their own to a large degree though clearly not totally. "New and unknown" is no business model my friend. Knowing what ur income is going to be better next season than this season is beneficial to every business model. Just saying!
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Post by countyjambo on May 10, 2020 17:09:16 GMT
We fully deserve to go down because of poor form, the fact that the season is not complete is for the lawyers to argue about. The GFA are a very poor business model, no idea and very much self looking after people. The cream buns are a corrupt bunch anyway and have made themselves look like the idiots they are. Can we please forget about this football pish and get back to the real issue of public health. Brighton are reporting 3 players tested positive and that is after 3 days training, We are not finishing this season, I cannot see any other solution and why selfish clubs reckon there was not enough time to sort out reconstruction is beyond me, there won't be football as we know, or shouldn't be any for a long time. Try sorting things out for the long time benefit of everyone instead of a short term fix that would still cause health issues.
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