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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 11, 2020 15:27:38 GMT
Normally I would disregard anything that rabble say, but nothing would surprise me with Doncaster etc.
Clubs have been bullied fairly blatantly, it’s a horrible situation made worse by attempts to force through a very difficult and important decision.
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Post by dav 21/5/16 on Apr 11, 2020 15:45:57 GMT
Don't know what it means in financial terms, but have the Hobbits really voted for a proposal which would see them fall out of the top six? Many clubs will struggle financially because of this and Hibs voted to help them out despite losing circa £100k but all clubs have a vested interest to survive and as has been said if Hearts were one place higher they would have changed their vote, and no doubt any club sitting 12th would have voted as you did. The only way this season would have survived in my opinion would have been If Sevco hadnt bottled it after the winter break.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 11, 2020 15:47:54 GMT
Like you Dolf, I'm very wary of buying in to anything the hun say. However if ICT do indeed have proof that Dundee had submitted a vote then that has, at the very least, to be investigated.
Whst a a horrible joke of an organisation the SPFL are
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Post by rudix3 on Apr 11, 2020 16:02:43 GMT
HFC
My 11 year son even worked this one out! 16 teams prem, (38 game currently) 15 games x 2 = 30, split comes, 16 ÷ 2 = 8. 30 games + 7 games after spilt = 37 games total. Now as brain power is not an option, I better point out you can not play yourself! so you have to deduct 1 from the equation. Simples.
Championship 16 teams, same format.
League 1, 10 or 12 if you promote a couple of junior teams. 42 spfl league members currently. 16 + 16 + 10 = 42.
League 2 would be scraped.
Prem and championship bottom two go down, 14th and 15th play in play offs.
Now as for you Nobelly saving smaller clubs with much needed cash, why not split all money nominated for each league evenly between said leagues! Why have a £1 today when you could have £100 tomorrow. Lower league teams would be better off in the long run with a greater and quicker chance to play in the prem. Equally more bigger teams could go down at the same time making a exciting championship. Remember when you guys followed us down. Their was big interest in that league with 3 big teams in their and don't tell be that didn't prof other clubs!
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 11, 2020 16:03:05 GMT
Seems Dundee voted no, which is what some people claim to have seen??, and then they called the SPFL asking them to ignore the first response and to await further contact?
What the f*ck is going on.........total shambles from start to finish on what should have been a straighforward vote........everybody votes yes / no / abstains(no) ......add up the totals and don't release any figures till all the votes are in......simples.
Take the next course of action if needed, once the vote is known on this particular solution.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 11, 2020 16:05:57 GMT
Doesn't sound overly complicated NH, does it?
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Post by baldbobby on Apr 11, 2020 16:18:21 GMT
Only the SPFL could fuck up something as simple as this vote. Reeks of corruption to me.
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Post by hfc on Apr 11, 2020 18:18:54 GMT
HFC My 11 year son even worked this one out! 16 teams prem, (38 game currently) 15 games x 2 = 30, split comes, 16 ÷ 2 = 8. 30 games + 7 games after spilt = 37 games total. Now as brain power is not an option, I better point out you can not play yourself! so you have to deduct 1 from the equation. Simples. Championship 16 teams, same format. League 1, 10 or 12 if you promote a couple of junior teams. 42 spfl league members currently. 16 + 16 + 10 = 42. League 2 would be scraped. Prem and championship bottom two go down, 14th and 15th play in play offs. Now as for you Nobelly saving smaller clubs with much needed cash, why not split all money nominated for each league evenly between said leagues! Why have a £1 today when you could have £100 tomorrow. Lower league teams would be better off in the long run with a greater and quicker chance to play in the prem. Equally more bigger teams could go down at the same time making a exciting championship. Remember when you guys followed us down. Their was big interest in that league with 3 big teams in their and don't tell be that didn't prof other clubs! A 14-team Premiership, as is the most likely outcome, would spare Heart of Midlothian relegation from a current position of four points behind with eight games left. The Hearts owner Ann Budge is an advocate of a 14-team league, where the annual split could be retained at eight and six.
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Post by hfc on Apr 11, 2020 18:22:48 GMT
Anne Budge:
“I was at a professional game board meeting just two or three weeks before all this happened and the whole question of restructuring the leagues came up and they actually said, ‘let’s stop talking about it and actually do something’. The decision was taken to up the priority level and look at it seriously with a view to having a recommendation in place for the season after next.
“So there is a recognition that we have got to do something. Why not, with the extra time we have now, move that on and have it in place for next season.
“It is something we were looking to do anyway and would solve many of the issues we are facing around fairness and promotion and relegation. If we have a top league of 14 and three 10-team leagues below that also means we are being fair to the teams who are part of the pyramid system and allows our media partners to still have their four Old Firm games.”
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 11, 2020 19:27:51 GMT
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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 11, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
So is that a no vote then? Not entirely clear.
Rumour among Dundee fans is they voted no then Doncaster tried to get them to change, then they were offered loan players of a green persuasion for next year, which Doncaster brokered. I doubt it is as blatant as that.
It does throw up the madness of announcing the votes if they can then be changed.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 11, 2020 20:12:19 GMT
So is that a no vote then? Not entirely clear. Rumour among Dundee fans is they voted no then Doncaster tried to get them to change, then they were offered loan players of a green persuasion for next year, which Doncaster brokered. I doubt it is as blatant as that. It does throw up the madness of announcing the votes if they can then be changed. If true he needs to be put against a wall.
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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 11, 2020 20:20:37 GMT
It does seem a bit of a conspiracy theory. I doubt Doncaster is stupid enough to be so overt about it.
How they can cock up a simple yes/no vote is an amazing talent.
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Post by ek1 on Apr 11, 2020 20:28:21 GMT
Don't know what it means in financial terms, but have the Hobbits really voted for a proposal which would see them fall out of the top six? Many clubs will struggle financially because of this and Hibs voted to help them out despite losing circa £100k but all clubs have a vested interest to survive and as has been said if Hearts were one place higher they would have changed their vote, and no doubt any club sitting 12th would have voted as you did. The only way this season would have survived in my opinion would have been If Sevco hadnt bottled it after the winter break. You're deluded if you think Hibs voted yes to help out other clubs . Hibs voted yes to suit themselves and because they could not afford the massive fall out from a vast majority of your own fans who would never have forgiven a vote seen as saving Hearts from relegation and would not have renewed season tickets, bought hospitality, bought club merchandise etc . That's the reality of the Hibs vote.
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 11, 2020 20:46:58 GMT
Spot on ek
Clubs will have voted for the best outcome for their own situation and fans first.
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