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Post by baldbobby on Jun 16, 2020 15:23:24 GMT
Wonder if the family of their benefactor who recently died, have stumped up the legal cash offer? I am sure had he been alive he would have bank rolled them in their case.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 16, 2020 15:42:30 GMT
If the Champ isn't going to begin until OCTOBER (bloody hell), how many of the 10 teams in it will even be here? Some of them may not be impacted as much by October as we are. Even with salary cuts our wage bill until October will be quite high. A lot of championship clubs have their entire squad released as contracts are up. They can issue new ones in September by that time we might have some fans allowed into grounds with social distancing.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 16, 2020 15:58:30 GMT
We now know that Peterhead voted for reconstruction so, that for me makes
HEARTS PARTICK INVERNESS STRANRAER HAMILTON CELTIC Sevco PETERHEAD
As we find more I will edit this post
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Post by dolflundgren on Jun 16, 2020 16:44:38 GMT
Good news about Partick, it doesn't say someone came forward to give them cash. It may well be we are just allowing them to piggy back on our case, which works for both parties.
It will be interesting if there is a call to FOH for funds or whether another benefactor is paying for it.
Based on the estimate of Leslie Deans we need about £70/hd from FOH members, that would easily be achievable.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Jun 16, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
Never thought I'd say it but good on the Old Firm.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 16, 2020 19:01:49 GMT
Wonder if the family of their benefactor who recently died, have stumped up the legal cash offer? I am sure had he been alive he would have bank rolled them in their case. I suspect either one of our benefactors or Hearts themselves may be funding it. Their case which is even more unfair than ours bolsters our claim.
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Post by MTS on Jun 17, 2020 8:54:23 GMT
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Post by MTS on Jun 17, 2020 8:57:32 GMT
Ewan Murray Tweet
The SPFL will pay £300k a year to satisfy Sky, has a BT claim, a BBC claim, a foreign rights claim and still no title sponsor in a pandemic. They are now subject to imminent damages claims from two clubs. You'd have to be very confident...
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Post by MTS on Jun 17, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
Quote from David Winnie
David Winnie, a Scottish Cup winner with St Mirren who also turned out for Aberdeen, Hearts and Dundee, knows the game but his legal eye sets him apart as member clubs prepare to take action against Scottish football.
Winnie, the head of sports law at Mayfair-based Charles Douglas Solicitors LLP, believes that the process of bringing Scottish football grinding to a halt may have already begun. The 53-year-old also warned that Hearts and Partick Thistle going down the judicial route could do irreparable damage to the Scottish game, both financially and by fomenting resentment which will take years to dissipate.
“When you look at sums of £6-7 million being bandied about as the cost to Hearts of not being in the top tier this season, I don’t think they had any other option but to do this,” he said.
“The cost of taking this action will be outweighed by the financial cost of demotion so, from their perspective, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain in that regard. The way things have gone with reconstruction, this was always likely to end up in court.
“Hearts have two causes of action contractually. Regarding membership of the SPFL, it’s an agreement between the clubs and the body itself and the clubs are party to a contract with the SPFL and each other.
“If the SPFL, by omission or by failing to follow its own corporate framework in passing a written resolution, will be in breach of that contract. You need to take it back to the issue of Dundee’s ‘missing’ vote.
“As far as I can see, the original ‘no’ vote from Dundee [which opposed ending the season] should have stood. Their secretary, Eric Drysdale, confirmed that the vote had been sent and that it had been received: it wasn’t a bounce back.
“In company law, there is no obligation on any member to cast a negative vote. Generally, members will vote in favour of a resolution and, if they don’t reply, they’re not in favour.
“However, what had been invited in terms of this resolution was a submission by clubs as to whether they were for or against the motion to end the season. When Dundee voted no, that should have stood.
“I also think there was also a lack of information provided to the members on which to base their decisions, specifically the fact that money would need to be repaid to Sky for unfulfilled fixtures. You could argue as to whether or not that information was material but the financial implications for Hearts are catastrophic.”
Season 2020-21 will be the most compressed in the game’s history, with competitions being carried over from last season due to the Covid-19 crisis at one end and an early close to accommodate the displaced Euro 2020 finals at the other, and Winnie anticipates that state of affairs worsening.
“If I was advising Hearts, I would seek an interim interdict on the Premiership season starting, on the grounds that they should be involved in it. In fact, given that they announced their intention to take the SPFL to court immediately after their reconstruction plan was voted down on Monday, I suspect that they have already done so.
“That would provide the SPFL with a logistical nightmare when it comes to delivering a fixture list. Ideally, this case will be fast-tracked at the Court of Session — the window is narrowing so the ruling must be expedited. If not, it may drag on for months and, if the ruling is in Hearts’ favour, then the Premiership would need to be restarted with them in it, which could lead to chaos and more contractual trouble with the broadcasters.
“I would also seek compensation for being relegated when there was a mathematical possibility that Hearts could have survived. Even if that amounted to only half of their projected losses for next season, that is money that would be paid for by the other members.
“Factor in Partick Thistle’s parachute payment and you could be looking at the other 40 clubs each losing around £100,000. Celtic are the only ones who can afford that — this action has the potential to decimate Scottish football.
“The game isn’t meant to be played out in court and the judge shouldn’t be the referee. However this ends, no one will be happy and there will be a whole host of ill will directed at Hearts and Thistle.
“I have sympathy for the SPFL board, who were attempting to deal with a situation which was truly unprecedented. They have admitted to making mistakes but those procedural errors will provide Hearts with ammunition. It will still be difficult for them to succeed and, ultimately, there will be no winners.”
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jun 17, 2020 10:15:33 GMT
Interesting insight MTS. My hope is that this could break Scottish football. I know it will be catastrophic damage but the alternative is to carry on and that seems far worse in the long term. No institution will ever bring about meaningful change by itself.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 17, 2020 11:33:05 GMT
If we end up losing a number of clubs, those directors need to look at themselves, not Hearts and Partick. I don't know if they thought Mrs Budge was bluffing and if they did it could be a very costly mistake. I still feel there us another twist in this tale yet.
Why was it that Doncaster & Co seemed very keen in reconstruction but only in the final week of the whole fiasco. Prior to that they expressed delight at the decisions they had reached. I suspect or hope it is because their legal people have told them that their us legal case for them to answer to.
Interesting to hear Whinnies comment on the Dundee debacle. I wonder if we will ever find out what really happened there?
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jun 17, 2020 11:37:57 GMT
I think we know what happened drj. I'm more interested in why it happened, what deals were struck etc.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 17, 2020 11:58:37 GMT
The what and the why are the same question. What happened to make them change their mind? Why did they change their mind?
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Jun 17, 2020 18:43:42 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219Hearts & Partick Thistle claiming £10m from SPFL if relegation not overturned
In a joint statement, they say they "have no wish to disrupt" Scottish football, but "reserve the right" to try to delay the Premiership season.
And so it begins!
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Jun 17, 2020 18:49:38 GMT
£10m is apparently the prize money for 32 out of the 42 teams. Massive.
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