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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 12, 2020 10:25:32 GMT
The attacks on Dundee started already "A No vote could condemn Scottish football to losing a number of clubs to bankruptcy" Raith chairman Bill Clark reckons Dundee will be left as outcasts for years if they say No to SPFL resolution Edit *** Why Dundee? Partick and ICT voted No *** For Raith to have seen what happened to Turnbull Hutton to come out with that is a disgrace. They took a stand then and Dundee are taking a stand now, whether you agree or not there is no right and wrong answer.
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Post by HerefordBull on Apr 12, 2020 10:50:46 GMT
Aye, agreed Dolf, what"beggars belief" is the heroic stand being made by sevco for the good of Scottish Football and protecting all the smaller clubs up here. If they had been top of the SPL at this moment.......wonder if they would be taking the same stance.
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Post by MTS on Apr 12, 2020 10:53:44 GMT
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Post by dolflundgren on Apr 12, 2020 11:42:33 GMT
Aye, agreed Dolf, what"beggars belief" is the heroic stand being made by sevco for the good of Scottish Football and protecting all the smaller clubs up here. If they had been top of the SPL at this moment.......wonder if they would be taking the same stance. Absolutely. They are the last bastion of Corinthian spirit and integrity right enough. Although I don’t have an issue with self interest per say. It is coercing and bullying that I don’t like. I’ve no doubt if the natural order was followed I would be all for voting yes. .
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Post by K19 on Apr 12, 2020 12:27:34 GMT
What kind of statement is that? Says nothing. What we need is a statement from Dundee explaining why they informed ICT and Partick they had submitted their No vote (and provided photographic proof) but it wasn't registered by the SPFL. If they can't do that then at least confirm their vote.
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Post by fredstersafool on Apr 12, 2020 12:47:17 GMT
They shafted ICT and Partick that won’t be forgotten
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Post by countyjambo on Apr 12, 2020 15:04:36 GMT
Corrupt, wrong, antiquated, no matter what you call it ,there will be no change and we are down,feck it all,but stay safe all
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Post by MTS on Apr 12, 2020 15:53:14 GMT
Budgie Update
On Wednesday, 8th April, following a series of briefings and receipt of the SPFL’s Written Resolution of that date, I issued a statement which clearly indicated that Heart of Midlothian would be voting against the Resolution. Both in my statement and in subsequent media interviews, I outlined our reasons for voting in this manner. I can confirm that we lodged our “No” vote on Friday 10th April 2020. Following what has been a hugely turbulent few days, please find below an updated statement of our position.
To remind you, our objections to the Resolution were in large part condemnatory of the process being followed.
1. I argued that the possible implications involved in the decision were of such magnitude that all 42 Clubs needed time to discuss, debate and ensure a full understanding of all of the relevant factors and options. I also argued that to ask Clubs to vote on one option only, within little more than 48 hours, was totally unreasonable.
2. The Legal briefing notes which accompanied the Written Resolution makes it very clear that given these unique circumstances, it falls to the SPFL members to decide the fairest basis on which to determine final league standings along with the associated implications, for Season 2019/20.
These briefing notes outline 6 (of various) options, the advantages and disadvantages of which the Board has apparently considered. The brief summary of the first 5 of these options focus on why the Board considers these options to be unsuitable. While I have no issue with their views being expressed, I do not consider the arguments for or against these options to have been objectively expressed.
In the 6th option, the single one that members are being asked to vote on, the reasons for (not against) this being the best solution are more fully stated. The very language used is different. Instead of talking in terms of something being arbitrary or unfair or damaging, as is done when discussing other options, the language changes to talk of how this is the fairest method of determining the final League positions. Clearly, this is a subjective judgement. It suggests that the Board has made a decision and simply wish now to convince the members to accept that decision. This is not, in my view, how you honour the principle that it is up to the members to decide how to ensure the fairest approach is taken.
The Board has clearly discussed and considered various options. This is exactly what we would expect of the Board. However, to then dismiss all but one option and present only this option for a members vote, within a very limited timescale, must surely raise the question of whether the Board is attempting to unduly influence the members decision making process.
3. In my earlier statement, I also indicated that I did not accept the position being argued by the SPFL that the only way to make much needed funds available to members was to pass this Resolution. It is difficult not to argue that linking the vote in this way to releasing funds, was an attempt to unduly influence the outcome of the vote.
A number of Clubs were angered by this approach, and as has been well publicised, Sevco promptly pulled together a Resolution, which if passed, could have seen funds able to be released to Clubs immediately. This would have removed any suggestion that a Club’s financial situation could be a possible influencer in the vote.
The fact that such an important matter was not properly addressed by the SPFL, in advance of the vote, is hugely disappointing.
Sevco submitted their paperwork to the SPFL on Thursday 9th April and were advised that the Resolution required the support of 2 further clubs, before it could be considered. We had already publicly stated that we supported Sevco in this matter and duly, at 3.47pm, submitted an identical Resolution to the SPFL, receipt of which was promptly acknowledged at 3.50pm. We did not receive any subsequent correspondence on this matter until 11.57am on Friday 10th April, when we received an email from the SPFL notifying us that the Resolution was not competent. Our in-house lawyer contacted the SPFL to understand in what manner the Resolution was not competent, to be informed that the issue was the use of the single word “instructed” as opposed to “requested” (That the Board of the Company be authorised and instructed as follows:). I am not a lawyer but find it quite incomprehensible that this should hold up the whole process.
My observations are that if the SPFL genuinely wanted to work with member clubs to find a solution to the matter of releasing funds they could and should have reverted both more timeously and more helpfully. I have also been advised, from various reliable sources, that on a video call with the Championship clubs at approximately 4.30pm on Thursday, it was stated that the Ranger’s Resolution was incompetent. I would stress that I was not personally on that call. However, assuming, as I do, that this remark was made, I have to wonder why we were not so advised until lunch-time the following day. Once again, I strongly question the process.
4. The final point from my last statement, on which I wish to update you, is the question of whether League reconstruction is being, or should be, considered in time for 2020/21. It was confirmed over the past few days that if the Resolution was approved, the Board would be prepared to consult with Clubs on League reconstruction. It was also intimated that they thought the chance of reaching agreement was very slim.
Given that the Resolution is not yet approved and given that time is marching on, I can confirm that Hearts, either alone or in conjunction with other Clubs, will be proposing a Temporary Adjustment to the Leagues, aimed at bringing matters to a close in a manner that ensures no Club is financially penalised as a consequence of these exceptional circumstances.
I would add that the financial consequences for Hearts of the current Written Resolution being accepted and thereby, almost certainly facing relegation, would be in the order of £2.5m - £3.0m of lost income next year. This would be on top of the financial burdens we will all face as a consequence of what is going on in the world today. For other relegated clubs, the financial penalties, while perhaps on a different scale, would be equally devastating to their operations. For this reason, if for no other, we will not give up on seeking an alternative Resolution that sees greater fairness for all.
In summary, the past few days have been quite extraordinary. Over this period, I have been speaking regularly and extensively to other Chairmen and Chief Executives both in the Premier League and the Championship and I was convinced that the SPFL Written Resolution would fail on Friday. I knew that some Clubs had moved their position in the run-up to the vote, as indeed is always their right. I knew that the Premiership clubs would vote ‘yes’. However, I was absolutely confident that 3 Championship Clubs were united in voting ‘no’, thereby buying Clubs more time to consider other options. I have no more insight than anyone else as to why Dundee’s vote has not yet been confirmed.
I saw also the Sevco statement of yesterday and the SPFL’s response. Once again, I have no further insight into the claims being made by Sevco. However, this is a major embarrassment for Scottish football, one which I believe could so easily have been avoided. Without openness, transparency and pragmatism we will simply keep making the same mistakes.
I refuse to speculate and can only assure you that we will continue to explore, in every way possible, any and all options that will offer a more equitable outcome than has to-date been proposed to the very real problems that face us all.
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Post by hfc on Apr 12, 2020 16:33:04 GMT
Corrupt, wrong, antiquated, no matter what you call it ,there will be no change and we are down,feck it all,but stay safe all Hard to argue the Tarts don't deserve to go down as the league form suggests..whether they do or not still remains up in the air. It's very hard to see how any games can be played (at least with fans) before well into what would be regarded as "next season" Septemberish' No Wimbledon, no Open Golf and in Embra no Festival which was due to finish on August 31st. I'm assuming the new footie season was gonna begin on or around the 1st August which is the 1st Saturday. That bearing in mind that there is virtually no chance of a vaccine for this virus tells me no large groups of people will be going to games of any kind unless something dramatic happens. Not sure i like the chances of that. So season tickets are on sale everywhere, Hmmmmmmmmmmm..................have u bought yours yet? .....
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Post by MTS on Apr 12, 2020 16:50:28 GMT
Corrupt, wrong, antiquated, no matter what you call it ,there will be no change and we are down,feck it all,but stay safe all Hard to argue the Tarts don't deserve to go down as the league form suggests..whether they do or not still remains up in the air. It's very hard to see how any games can be played (at least with fans) before well into what would be regarded as "next season" Septemberish' No Wimbledon, no Open Golf and in Embra no Festival which was due to finish on August 31st. I'm assuming the new footie season was gonna begin on or around the 1st August which is the 1st Saturday. That bearing in mind that there is virtually no chance of a vaccine for this virus tells me no large groups of people will be going to games of any kind unless something dramatic happens. Not sure i like the chances of that. So season tickets are on sale everywhere, Hmmmmmmmmmmm..................have u bought yours yet? .....Season tickets are NOT on sale everywhere.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Apr 12, 2020 17:01:25 GMT
Without having to read a lot, when is this being concluded or is there no clear end in sight??
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Post by MTS on Apr 12, 2020 17:04:27 GMT
Without having to read a lot, when is this being concluded or is there no clear end in sight?? Yip, prepare for next season in the championship 👍
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 12, 2020 17:05:01 GMT
Not even close Junior.
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Post by drj1956 on Apr 12, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
I have no issue with playing in the championship next season but I can absolutely promise that the only away ground I will visit is Inverness. I won't even go to Ayr which is less than a mile from my house.
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Post by MTS on Apr 12, 2020 17:15:34 GMT
Sevco Statement
A spokesman for Sevco advised that Sevco Company secretary, James Blair, has had several email exchanges with the SPFL legal adviser, Rod McKenzie. Remarkably, we have learned from an email received from Mr McKenzie that our proposed resolution is deemed unnecessary because the SPFL board already has the authority to provide loans to member clubs which can be exercised by the SPFL at any time.
The Inverness CEO, Scot Gardiner, confirmed on national radio yesterday that SPFL representatives made it clear on several conference calls that it was necessary to approve the SPFL resolution in order to release funds which would relieve the financial hardship being experienced by many clubs.
Member clubs will be shocked to learn this is not the case and any club facing short term financial difficulties should request a loan from the SPFL immediately. Our resolution was never intended to release end of season fee payments but instead to provide loans as an advance on such payments. It is now apparent that this is already within the power of the SPFL.
This provides further evidence that an independent investigation is urgently required.
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