rudix3
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Post by rudix3 on Jun 23, 2020 22:38:32 GMT
In France Amiens going to the high court to enforce the league to stop relegation as they've blatantly ignored the court order. Alot of people seem to have picked up that the league won and relegation stands. Very far from it.
This culd also mean bad news for the promoted parties, the french league might rule no promotion to comply to the courts! This case is more worse for Utd than us imo.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Jun 23, 2020 23:02:21 GMT
Can anyone explain the latest from France and Belgium? My thinking is in Belgium the court have deemed relegation illegal, but what is happenign now? Expanding the league? Compo? In France it seems the court stopped relegation, to allow the clubs to have a go at restructuring and they have decided not to? Where does that leave the court, or was it the fact they hadn't voted for it that was illegal? Does any of this have a real bearing, other than comfort for one side or another they are not alone? I’ll read it tomorrow and give my opinion (assuming anyone wants it haha). One observation: how are these countries so far ahead of us? They’re already in court with decisions being made. Why are we so far behind?
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Post by baldbobby on Jun 23, 2020 23:05:04 GMT
Can anyone explain the latest from France and Belgium? My thinking is in Belgium the court have deemed relegation illegal, but what is happenign now? Expanding the league? Compo? In France it seems the court stopped relegation, to allow the clubs to have a go at restructuring and they have decided not to? Where does that leave the court, or was it the fact they hadn't voted for it that was illegal? Does any of this have a real bearing, other than comfort for one side or another they are not alone? I’ll read it tomorrow and give my opinion (assuming anyone wants it haha). One observation: how are these countries so far ahead of us? They’re already in court with decisions being made. Why are we so far behind? Because Scottish football is a backwater bush league with no leadership at the top.
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Post by juniorjambo93 on Jun 24, 2020 10:02:44 GMT
I’ll read it tomorrow and give my opinion (assuming anyone wants it haha). One observation: how are these countries so far ahead of us? They’re already in court with decisions being made. Why are we so far behind? Because Scottish football is a backwater bush league with no leadership at the top. Haha indeed. Crazy to think that we used to be AHEAD of most other European leagues. We were beating too European teams deep into competitions. The old firm too. Aberdeen also. Dundee Utd even Hibs were very good.
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Post by dolflundgren on Jun 24, 2020 12:55:15 GMT
The best outcome I can think of is that the SPFL send their response to the CoS but it goes into a spam box and they then have to argue that it still counts, before then going onto argue that votes in spam boxes don't count!
My worry is there is enough mist and grey areas for them to wriggle out of this. The vote itself they ahd the right to accept an amended vote. What they sdaid in the mean time to Dundee will likely have not been recorded anywhere so we may never know.
All the other stuff, they will argue they were acting on the will of the membership, so hands were tied etc.
Im not overly confident on this. It is up to us to prove they did wrong, not them to prove they did it right.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 24, 2020 13:46:48 GMT
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Post by dolflundgren on Jun 24, 2020 15:15:33 GMT
It is odd, is it not pretty much an admission that they have handled it wrongly? Firstly that the rules aren't fit for this purpose ( to be fair that's not surprising) and also that votes cannot be changed, so again admitting that was a problem.
I think this is all fine, the problem they have now though is that they should have done this 2 months ago and too many clubs have now lost faith in the board for it to pass. How can you trust a board who up until this point was telling us everything was fine, we just had to follow the league rules?
Surely this strengthens our legal case as they are admitting failure of governance?
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Post by rowten on Jun 24, 2020 16:07:12 GMT
Sounds like a back door vote of confidence.
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Post by Flat Earth FC on Jun 24, 2020 16:12:24 GMT
This seems a power grab to me. Decisions made solely by the board? Aye fuckin right.
The competence of the board and decision making is the problem.
Consult the clubs? And then just do what you want anyway. They've got such a great track record in making good decisions as well 😠
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Post by ek1 on Jun 24, 2020 16:43:55 GMT
That reads to me as " hey guys we've royally fucked up the 2019/20 season and the rules were not really in place to address the Covid19 issue, so we made it up as we went along". Just adds to our claim TBH
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 24, 2020 19:18:18 GMT
I'm really surprised at the timing of it. The day before they have to submit a defence in court. I just cant fathom out the motivation and timing of it. As others have said, it reads like an admission of wrong doing
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Post by K19 on Jun 25, 2020 6:54:04 GMT
I think its a sensible move tbh, until covid is over anyway. If we get a second wave and the season cant finish, I'd rather the Board had the power to call it rather than have their proposal stymied by the Chairmen of Brechin, Alloa and Arbroath after 3 months of discussions. We cant complain about the CEO being an administrator rather than a decision-maker in the current crisis on one hand then deny him/her the power to make decisions on the other.
The caveat being that its Doncaster we are talking about... you dont give a box of matches to an arsonist.
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rudix3
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Post by rudix3 on Jun 27, 2020 9:33:23 GMT
I don't get why Scottish papers refuse to be on our side at all this, or at least argue both sides. The reporting is shocking. So hearts Hope's of using the French league as a reference point is dashed as the league have up held their decision to relegate teams🤔. So if I rob a bank, get convicted and get 10 years in jail I can just decide to up hold my freedom and the courts will just except that! Of coarse the French case is far from done and it's going to the high court this time where I would imagine their will be a tougher stance this time around. But no a half story is portrayed.
Tom English and Barry Anderson can hold their heads up high the rest just clueless jumped up pricks. Starting to really hate Scottish football.
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Post by drj1956 on Jun 27, 2020 11:44:28 GMT
I have to say Peter Martin on his daily podcast with Roughie, is spitting blood defending us and is really angry at our relegation.
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Post by MTS on Jun 27, 2020 12:15:09 GMT
I'm sure we'll find out more on Wednesday, doesn't bode well when they get our feckin name wrong.
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